In continuation of its sustained demand for ending the discrimination and grant of 30% fitment / 5 advance increments for the post-2007 recruitees including TTAs, Sr.TOAs, RM etc., BSNLEU has written a detailed letter to BSNL with live examples for immediate settlement of the issue. It is posted in the BSNLEUwebsite www.bsnleuchq.com. The issue has already been taken in the National Council and discussed and all the additional details required for the settlement are furnished now.
The management can not avoid a favourable settlement. Justice has got to be meted out to the concerned officials.
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Respected sir,
Now you are looking confident to settle this issue, but we are shouting since before wage revision that its going wrong with us. Sir do you think, time taken by you is more than necessary. is it your inability to understand this 30% or 5 incre as a anomaly before a year. till date it is not a anomaly for management, first you have to make a anomaly.
thanks for effort
Dear Comrade,
If you have been visiting the website of BSNLEU and its journals as also my website at the time of the wage negotiation and afterwards, you should not have the above doubt raised by you. BSNLEU from the start has been trying to get the 30% fitment to post-2007 recruitees. It was only because of the complete denial by the management that the issue could bot be settled.We have taken up the grant of 5increments also to end the discrimination. It has been taken earlier and is being pursued continuously. BSNLEU is very serious on the issue from the start.
dear sir can u plz specify or differentiate between 30% fitment benifit demand of DRJTO’s and DRTTA’s recruited after 1-1/2007. what i mean is that JTO’s got 5 increments for their pay loss and management dont have problem with it. is our case different from the JTO’s case.. If yes then please tell me. I want to know how TTA’s issue is different from JTO’s case.. please sir help me out. and if both cases are same, then why is management not agree for giving us 5 increments or 30% fitment benifit.. do u think our unions made a mistake in posting our issue as good as JTO’ s union pursue their case. plz clear my doubt..thank you
This issue has been replied several times. BSNLEU is trying its best to get the demand achieved. For further details, please go through the earlier comments, replies etc.
sir this was not my question. what i want to ask is that is there any difference between 30% fittment for DRTTA and 30% fittment for DRJTO recruited after yr 2006 end.
if yes then please let us know what it is.
Dear Comrade,
Of course, there are some differences how the payscales of executives and non-executives are finalised. In the case of executives there is a Pay Revision Committee formed by the DPE/Government which is applicable for all the PSUs. But for the non-executives, the wage revision is finalised through negotiations between the particular management and the recognised union. 5 advance increments were given to executives citing certain reasons.But we are demanding that the same benefit should be given to the post-2007 non-executive recruitees also pointing out our relevant points. For details kindly go through the many letters and notes posted in the website of BSNLEU and also published in the Telecrusader/Telemessage, monthly journals of BSNLEU.
Thank you Sir
Gr8 to Here that The management can not avoid a favourable settlement. Justice has got to be meted out to the concerned officials.
Thanks & Regards !
I think This letter is written 2 month ago. Is there any reply from Management ?
No reply is received. The union is persuing the matter vigorously
I don’t know how unions communicate to management so i want to know that is there any reminder given to management or any demand of meeting on this issue is raised within this long two months period ?
I meant how The union is persuing the matter vigorously please ?
Thanks and regards !
Once a case is taken with the management, it is persued through discussions in formal and informal meetings. Further correspondence is also made when necessary. This is the usual practice. Sometimes there will be special committees formed to discuss certain issues. When an issue is taken in the National Council, it is usually reviewed formally in monthly meetings of the Standing Committee.In the case of issue mentioned by you also, this process is going on. In fact, this case is not taken two months back. It was taken at the time of wage revision and afterwards and raised in the National Council also. This is being vigorously pursued. The letter you mentioned is part of the process.
Sir ! as i know in last NCM this issue is not taken as a agenda point. And also after pay revision to till date the Union have written only 3 to 5 letters to management ( in a very long time period) as per my knowledge.
Seeing this can we say that the issue is really vigorously pursued by Union please….
Thanks and regrds
Dear Comrade,
The issue of 30% fitment or 5 additional increments were taken by BSNLEU since wage revision. The item was taken in the National Council meeting on 24th June 2011, in the Standing Committee of national Council meetings on 24th January 2012 and also 22nd February 2012. The issue was again raised in the National Council meeting held on 27th February 2012 ( para 7). Many letters were written as also unofficial discussions also taken place with the management. Kindly go through the Telecrusader, Telemessage and the BSNLEU website for further information on the matter. Non-settlement of an issue doest not mean that the issue has not been seriously taken. However everybody can have their own opinion in the matter.But facts remain facts.
Sir ! as i know in last NCM this issue is not taken as a agenda point. And also after pay revision to till date the Union have written only 3 to 5 letters to management ( in a very long time period) as per my knowledge.
Seeing this can we say that the issue is really vigorously pursued by Union please….
Thanks and regrds
Dear Friends,
Hats off to Mr.Namoodiriji. You all might not know the person. He is a personality from whom, we can learn many many things…
Respected sir, as per my knowledge 6th pay comission recommends E-1 scale to all Direct Recruit tee Dip. Holder, whether it can be apply in BSNL, cant it be a solution of 30% fitment to post 2007 staff.
Sudesh
The VI CPC has given recommendations only for government employees. In PSUs the wage revisions are different. For executives in all PSUs, it is based on the recommendations of the Pay Revision Committee approved by the DPE. For non-executives, it is through wage negotiations with the recognised union/unions.Furhter the separate managements will also consider their capacity to pay. Usually chronically loss making PSUs do not revise the wages.
Sir , I have mailed you the difference between old pay and new pay of post 1.1.2007 recruitee. have you seen it and got the why the post 1.1.2007 recruitee are shouting for fitment…..
You can understand the problems of all huge loss here…. And as per I thought it will be settled as early possible before next verification please …..
As told earlier the issue has been taken seriously by BSNLEU. Please go through the BSNLEU website as also the Telecrusader in which the letters, minutes of the National Council, Standing Committee meetings etc. are posted/published. The issue has been poseted in this blog itself several times.
Dear Sir,
My earlier comment has been deleted from your blog but still I am not hurted because finally BSNLEU requested to DIR(HR) for holding meeting regarding this issue and taken the reference of 24th NCM minutes in which BSNLEU mentioned the losses of post 01.01.2007 recruited employees but they have opted it in their next i.e. 25th NCM though the matter still unresolved. Thanks for that. We are not dead against of BSNLEU but since they are the recognized union and not looking seriously regarding this issue we are only expressing our grievances because we feel that if BSNLEU whole heartily put pressure on management regarding our justified demand earlier the matter would be solved earlier. thanks one again.
Dear Comrade,
BSNLEU has always been serious on this issue. BSNLEU has pointed out the issue at the time of the wage negotiation itself. Immediately after also this issue was raised. The matter has been taken up through correspondence, in meetings,official and unofficial, with the management, in the National Council, Standing Committees etc. I agree that while the BSNLEU members will be aware of the same while discussing in their GB / Working Committee meetings etc. these information may not be available to the members of other unions and hence the misunderstanding. BSNLEU has now asked for a separate meeting for the same, which you also have mentioned.
Dear Comrade,
We know the power and strength of BSNLEU. We are also thankful to the leaders for their effort in solving the genuine demand of solving the pay anomaly of Post 2007 Non-executives. As the strongest and recognized union the issue can be solved if and only if BSNLEU whole heartily put pressure on management regarding our justified demand. Please try to settle it as early possible, at least before next verification…..
Thanks to Comrade
Sir
You have agreed that the pay issues of non-executives is betwee the recognised union and the management. It means, it was BSNLEU which was a part of this wage revision or in other words it was BSNLEU which brought this anamoly to DRTTAs. You have agreed it in your post. However, I do not blame the union here. There is bound to be one or other issue in all the wage agreements and they get settled in the due coarse of time. Quite natural and convincing. True also. But then, for the mistake committed by the recognised union, it is the union responsible to get this settled. Your efforts in this direction are noteworthy and I wish to bring to your kind attention that only BSNLEU should settle this issue failing which the BSNLEU as it happened during their regime. I hope you agree to my point and settle the issue at the earliest. It is your responisibility Sir. I may not like to take the answer that there was also a DRTTA in the pay revision committee as he alone could not have done anything.
Anyway, I am thankful to your good self that you are trying your best to resolve the issue and I hope and feel you can do it if you wish to do it.
Lastly, I wish to admit that, you have always been very patient to reply to all the responses and it is a good quality of a leader. I must admit it. But then, please do your best arrow to go for a final kill and get this mistake corrected. Thanks and Regards
Dear Comrade,
The wage revision is a complex exercise, especially in BSNL, Central government etc. where there are large number of cadres, different pay scales, promotional opportunites and other different conditions. Anomalies are unavoidable as is the experience from the I to VI Central Pay Commissions and also the two wage revisions in BSNL. It is not the mistake of the union/s and in none of these CPC/Wage revision the unions are blamed for the same. Some of these anomalies could be settled after long pusruation, but many could not be settled even after continued pursuation and struggles. For example while the pay anomaly in the VI Central Pay Commission with regard to TTA could be settled and the payscale upgraded from Rs. 4500 to Rs. 5000 w.e.f. 01-10-2000, the pay anomaly in the case of Sr. TOA could not be settled so far. It is still pending with a Joint Committee of official and union side for the last so many years. Further the anomaly of the seniors in the higher cadre getting less than their juniors in the lower cadre resulted through the wage revision of 2000 in BSNLEU still could not be settled so far,despite the fact that agrrement was made on the same by the Joint Committee of Official and Staff Side about one month back. It is to be noted that this wage revision was signed by all the 11 unions existed in the BSNL then, including NFTE and FNTO.
The present anomaly is due to the hard position taken by the management with regard to the fitment formula and the multiplication factor of the new payscale. The management took the firm position that 30% fitment can be given only for those in service before since the wage revision is from 01-01-2007 despite the fact that the union demanded for the same. Secondly the unions demanded 2.4 multiplication factor while the management did not agree beyond 1.91 multiplication. The management flatly refused our demands stating that it can not grant more than what is granted to the executives as per the II Pay Revision Committee appointed by the Government and on the basis of the DPE orders.
By the way, some comrades point out this as a discrimination against DR TTAs It is not so. It is, in fact, against all those employees who are appointed after 01-01-2007, including the TTAs, Sr. TOAs, RMs, JTO and others. All those officials including DR TTAs appointed prior to 01-01-2007 have been allowed 30% fitment. While the management has flatly refused for 30% fitment / more than 1.91 multiplication factor for JTOs also, but it has granted 5 advance increments to them later. BSNLEU and the staff side has demanded that the same should be granted to all those non-executives also who are appointed after 01-01-2007. This has been discussed in the National Council, Standing Committee Meetings, taken up through correspondence as also unofficial discussions several times. The demand is being pursued strongly. There is no mistake on the part of the recognised union. And the Union is trying to settle the anomaly.