Today, I am at Bhopal, the capital of one of the largest state in the country as per area. It was the largest till it was bifurcated in to M.P. and Chattisgarh. Due to various other reasons also, it has got importance. I came here to meet comrades of AIBDPA and Casual and Contract workers in addition to strengthen the United Forum activities.
In the morning, I had gone out for a walk. The IQ where I am staying is in the telephone exchange situated in an area where the Vidhan Sadan and many other offices of central and state governments are functioning. There are many gardens, big buildings with large compounds, the roads are wide and neat and have a refreshing look. In the morning there was not much traffic also. The climate in the morning was comfortable.
After walking for some time, all of a sudden I saw on one side of the road a lot of juggies and small huts. The huts were made of mud or low quality bricks and covered by sheets on which stones were placed so that it will not fly away at the time of rains and winds. People were walking to a nearby open space for their toilets with bottles of water. The area was not having any sanitary arrangements. Children clad in torn and dirty clothes were wandering here and there. This was the other side of any city which we miss or don’t want to see.
Go to any city, Delhi. Mumbai, Kolkatta, Chennai or any smaller cities or towns. You can see such juggies and poor colonies every where. It is an integral part of any city.While the rich and the mighty stay in big bungalows and posh flats and have A/Cs, fridges, washing machines and all facilities and amenities, many cars even for one family, here are these unfortunate people who even after doing work can not feed their children properly, can not give them education, no bathroom or toilets etc.This inequality is growing. Ambanis and the like have big skyscrapers for one family when thousands of families have not even a home.
The situation in the rural areas are tougher. It is more than sixty years since we got independence. Of course, the country has progressed much. But the benefits of growth has been appropriated by a few. Inequalities and injustice have increased. There are many who realise all these but are keeping quiet. Unless there is an outrage and strong movement against this inequality and injustice, the situation will go out-of-bounds.
The left parties, the progressive and democratic movements and the working class have to act in unison to change the situation for a better deal to the under privileged people in the society.
VAN Namboodiri's Blog 
Sir, pls see the conditions in our home first i.e, in our company BSNL, so much inequality and injustice with TTAs (Telecom Technical Assistant).
No promotion since ten years,
No Designation Change,
No JTO-LICE exam for the last 11 years,
No inter-circle transfers under para-8 (erstwhile rule-38) for TTAs to their choice circle,
Harassment to TTAs in the name of Rotational Transfers with pick and choose transfers within SSA by Ruling Union with intention to take revenge,
In wage revision TTAs did not get the highest pay scale as per the recommendations of 6th Pay Commission etc.. etc..
We got Promises year after year..but nothing concrete had been done so far. i know your know all this but you kept quiet its hard to understand.
Sir i again request your goodself to see the plight within your home (BSNL) first. I need a sensible reply from your side. Your silence means a lot to everyone reading your blog. Commenting on the general atmosphere or conditions does not require any great effort. As all these can be easily seen and observed by public at large, it would be great on your part if you provide solutions on above problems related to TTAs soon. I will feel extremely happy if you observe, feel and react on the state of TTAs (Diploma Engineers) in this large & great organisation – BSNL.
Sir, Elections are coming again within 9 months and i will see assurances from all Unions again but can we see a sea change before elections..???
sir, Should we carry on with this great inequality and injustice?
BSNL is a continuation of the DOT. DOT services were corporatised and BSNL formed. All the issues and problems in the DOT has been carried over to the BSNL. All the problems mentioned by you have been taken by the BSNL Employees Union during the last 8 years and discussed with the managment after it got the recognition. As far as promises, no union can give such promises that every issue that it takes will be settled. It depends upon a lot of matters including the policy of the government, the decisions of the management, the existing rules, the financial position of the organisation, the capacity of the union to wrest it from the management and so on. However, BSNLEU has made maximum efforts and achieved a good pay revision as also a good promotion policy. Even those who opposed these earlier, after its implementation has hailed them. When implementing new wage revision, promotion policy etc. there will always be anomalies and related difficulties and it is the job of the unions to settle it. All the issues you mentioned have been taken by the union and the same are being persued.
Strengthening the union at all levels is very important. Only criticising the union will not do. The stronger the union, it is easier to settle the issues.
At the same time when we are thinking about our wages, promotion etc. it is also the duty of the workers to look and see what is happening outside. Take for example the contract workers who are doing work in the same BSNL beside the employees. They are not being paid minimum wage, there is no PF or Insurance for them, they are being exploited. What about the families from where we have come from? What about the price rise? What about the wrong policies of the government. You are not isolated from the common people. Their problems are our problems.
With regard to the problems of TTAs raised by you, if you go through our journals, websites and also the minutes of the National Council meetings etc., you will realise how many times the isuues have been taken up. Further you have to raise these issues in your Branch meetings so that others also will be aware of the same. You will also get the latest position from the journals and office-bearers of the union.
Sir, you have used the words very wisely to put away all the real issues. Congrats again for doing all this continuously from the last many years. Sir, Now you just answer a Simple Question and get away with all the Charges/Accusations….
Contract staff become regulars,
RMs become TMs
TMs become TTAs,
TOAs become TTAs,
TOAs become JAOs
now question is “When will TTAs become JTOs..??”
Sir, all my Family Members, my Friends, my Large Social Network, my Colleagues, my Officers and My TTA brethren ask me this question again and again (Infact same is happening with each TTA)…and i am asking this question to many Union/Association Leaders….But….
Only a Leader of your Stature can answer this question now…and if you also fail to answer the same then only GOD Saves TTAs career and ultimately the BSNL.
The curse of TTAs will surly take a heavy toll on all the persons who are Directly/Indirectly involve in this game plan…………oh i forgot….that there are few people who don’t even believe on Almighty. pls pardon me.
with a heavy heart… ;-((
Bandhan Preet Singh
Dear Comrade,
In the Telecom /BSNL, the promotions for all cadres are delayed sue to one reason or another. It was 16 years /26 years promotions earlier on the basis of time bound promotions. This is now modified through the NEPP, earned after hard bargaining and struggles/agitations including strikes, to four promotions after every 8 years. This is applicable to all non-executive cadres. The full benefit of this four-promotion scheme will be available to the newly recruits in BSNL like TTA, Sr.TOA, RM etc.(There has not been recruitment generally in the other cadres). Others will get less benefit since many of them will retire before 2-3 promotions in BSNL.
Regarding promotion through examinations, it is dependent upon the vacancies. As such a very large number of employees in all cadres are denied of the same. There are thousands and thousands of employees in the cadres of RM, TM and Sr.TOAs and other cadres who will never get a promotion to a higher post. The TTA is also not different. JTO is the promotional post for the TTAs and Sr. TOAs. But since 2000, no examination has been conducted for JTO on one or other grounds. The Union has been continuously making efforts for the conduct of the examination for the last ten years or so through discussion with the management, by taking the issue in the National Council etc. But mainly due to the various cases in the courts, stay etc. no examination has taken place. The management has agreed to conduct the examination if the cases are withdrawn/ stays are vacated. The BSNLEU has approached the oficials/groups to get the cases withdrawn so that the examinations are conducted and thousands can pass and get promotion. Our efforts are continuing. The union is putting maximum efforts for getting the examinations conducted.
Sir,
Mr. bandhan Preet Singh had already pointed out a lot of key issues related to TTAs. which are really Alarming and disgusting for all TTAs.
Where as all Executives are enjoying all type of facilities and allowances then why only TTAs are suffering thats too from last 10 years. They are showing their caliber and performance in all fields of BSNL, they are working hard, Most of them are Degree and Diploma Engineers but they are not getting their due share like :
NO 30% FITMENT,
NO PROMOTION POLICY FOR TTAs,
NO RESPECTABLE DESIGNATION FOR US.
Why the Management and Unions are treating us STEP-MOTHERLY.
So I am requesting u on behalf of all TTAs to consider these issues as your personal issues and pressurize the BSNL management to solve these grievances as quickly as possible so that TTAs should think that they are also an integral part of BSNL.
THANKING YOU…
REGARDS…
RAVINDER KUMAR (COMPUTER ENGG.)
SURESH SINGH (ELEC. & COMM. ENGG.)
@Namboodiri Jee
Why did you call only the left parties? Are you under the impression that the left is the best option for this country? If so, why were they routed out in Bengal? Why did people throw away the left to the right? Anyway, it was just an example.
I am sure, no political party ever will be able to bring in the change that you are looking for or you hope to see. I am sure about it. I strongly opine that the unions should detach themselves from the political entities and operate with independent mind and body.
“A politician means a corrupt individual” is the new meaning today. They no more think of the nation but themselves and the power centers. They are no longer driven by the emotions to serve the nation. Politics has become a business today. It is a very lucrative business that one engages himself in the name of politics.
In Andhra Pradesh some left party leaders were involved in liquor mafia operating. It is left or right, what is more important is that we, I mean WE, should change ourselves first. One, living in the garbage filled house should first start the process of cleansing one’s own house and then spread the message to the world. Till then, the change that you expect will not take place.
I appeal to all the unions to dis-engage themselves from the so called political entities because a union biased by a political entity will not be working with its own ideology but will be biased by the theme line of the political groups. Anyway, it is out of the view point expressed by you and I beg your pardon for having moved you out of the context.
Regards
Respected Shri VAN Namboodiri ! it meens you want to say that the wholeTTA cader is the by birth problem ( Janmjat Bimari) of BSNL and never can be resolved. Joke of the millennium !!!!!!! The issues of all other cadre are not come from DOT but only the issues of TTA cadre are coming from DOT ?
Please read the post once again and you get the answer.
SIr, if your efforts are senecere nothing is immposible. I can understand that if you support the promotion, you are going to loose a good chunk of membership. Secondly only hungry workers assemble under the flag( an old Communist Saying).Considering athese I dont expect much from trade unions.
God only can help these poor TTA.
BALTEJ
Before stating that you don’t expect any thing from the trade unions, just remember that the service conditions, payscales, allowances and all the benefits now you are getting have been won by continuous effort of the unions and agitattions and strikes. Many workers even in Telecom/BSNL hadeven sacrifice their lives also. It is through the collective bargaining that the worker has got more benefits. You may be reading from the papers etc. that where unions are not allowed, what are the service conditions, wages etc. May be the unions could not achieve all that is demanded, but the demands what have been achieved is mainly through the collective bargaining. By the way it is All India Telecom Employees Union earlier and now BSNL Employees Union which had fought for getting gazetted posts / executive posts for the non-executives and achieved something in that respect. Membership is not the criterion for the same. The person will become the member of the executive union when getting promotion. For your information, even after getting promotion many are functioning in the non-executive union because of their long and close connection with the union.
Respected sir ! My sincere thanks for your fight for workers but may i know that why the post 1.1.2007 recruited executives (JTO JAO) are now enjoying 5 increment benefit and the post 1.1.2007 recruited non executives are getting less pay than pre revised pay scale ?
Why the staff who got promotion between 1.1.2007 and date of wage revision agreement are allowed to remain in pre-revised scale till the date of their promotion and in other hand the post 1.1.2007 recruited are not being allowed to remain in pre revized pay scale till any judgment will come out ?….. why why why ?
Yes vannamboodiri Ji, We are expecting lot of from the trade unions Executive unions fight for their members and gaining a lot things such as they gained 30% fitment for 2005 batch and 5 increments for 2007,2008,and 2009 JAOs and JTOs,
But same scenario exist in case of Bihar 2006 batch TTAs but all non executive unions keep quiet for what and why…? we coudint understand the reason.
I will explain the scenario with the list of 11 non executives plz open up your mouth for us.
plz go through the below mentioned list of 11 TTAs and go through the points A,B,C,D then u can understand the anomaly .
1)USHA KIRAN HEMBRAM (Hr:No:200600277) O/o CGM PATNA -BIHAR
2)FULSINGHBHAI KALIDASBHAI VASAVA(Hr:No: 200700363)O/oSDOT DIU, JUN TD, -GUJARAT
3)SUJOY SAHA(Hr:No: 200700745)O/oSDE-WLL, KAM TD, ASSAM, GUWAHATI- ASSAM
4)200700746 SANDIP SAHA(Hr:No: 200700746) SDE-HAJO, KAM TD, ASSAM, HAJO -ASSAM
5)VINOD KUMAR(Hr:No: 200701009) DEP PUR, KAT TD, BIHAR, PURNEA -BIHAR
6)SRI KAMLESH KUMAR KUSTWAR(Hr:No: 200701235) 01, , JORHAT TD,- ASSAM
7)CHHOTE LAL (Hr:No: 200701664)TUDDU EWSD, DAR_BR TD, BIHAR, DARBHANGA-BIHAR
8)KALAIVANAN J(Hr:No: 200701709)SDEG, WDH, VEL TD, WANDIWASH -TAMILNADU
9)SURENDRAMOHAN G(Hr:No: 200702036) CNPM CM, COI TD, CHINNIAMPALAYAM TAMILNADU
10)SULEMAN SURIN(Hr:No: 200702163) SDOP ARA, ARR TD, BIHAR, ARRAH BIHAR
11)DINESH KUMAR(Hr:No: 200702247 DNR DE, PAT_BR TD, BIHAR, DANAPUR BIHAR
A) Sl:No: 1,5,7,10 & 11 Recruited in same batch but due to non availability of vacancies Sl:No:1 got posting on 2006 so he got 30% fitment after wage revision.
B) If management applies same scenario used in the case of 2005 JTO batch then Sl:No:5,7,10 & 11 will also get 30% fitment benefit
C) Sl: No: 2,3,4,6,8 & 9 are senior than Sl:No: 11 so they should also get fitment.
D) Now all TTAs recruited after 2007 can claim for 30% fitment benefit .
we all expect that trade unions especially BSNLEU will do something for us so at least raise voice for us………………..plzzzzzzzz.
Regards
Priyesh Varghese
BSNL Alappuzha
Kerala Circle
Sir,
“Union is Strength” .But, unfortunately Many divisions of Trade Unions in BSNL.
Suppose, there is no Union and its representation in BSNL, Do you think no improvement will happen in service conditions, payscales, salaries, allowances, etc. etc. But happen in Defence, where discipline, dedication and devotion to duties are also imparted. RRs are formulated as per the requirements of the Organisational Structure,not as per the union’s directions.
Union is not blamed, but the divisions, those tie up with management and involving Court cases,delaying the results of fruits which is not a standard one and cheating the members.
“BSNL Zindabad”
“Inqulab Zindabad”.
Respected Namboodri ji as you say that make BSNLEU astronger unoin all over the country but we think that at present BSNLEU is the strongest unoin at present in BSNL and u r the president of JAC so why the JTO’s recruited after 1-1-2007 gets increments and the TTA ‘s. can’t get the increments.so this also creates a great diff. b/w TTa and JTO recruted after 2007.so we demands only to see all employee of BSNL by one eye. Thanking you
sir ,
Ur opinion may be right in some respect , But problem is that TTA cadre suffered alot in compare to all regular-non executive’s working cadres. you can not ignore TTA’s , as TTA’s are also integral part of non-executive unions.
As u r most senior most person in all non-executive unions, You are already aware of all drastic problem’s that are written by my colleagues .
Please advice/guide/help TTA’s for their bright future……..
So earn some good humanly prays from DR-TTA’s , as these prays will we redeemed by god ..
thnks & regds
AJIT SINGH
TTA
The reply by the honourable leader seem just a diversion from the key issue and nothing else…. This is what we are getting for last many years
Please wait for the posts one after another.
Dear Comrade,
We are trying to sort out the issues as early as possible. All these issues mentioned has already been taken by the union/staff side. We will persue them vigourously.
PLEASE FRIENDS DHEERE DHEERE
Dear Comrade
This is Dharmendra Verma, G.S. SNATTA.
I give you one proposal that you officially put the demand of Pay Scale Upgradation (from NE-9) of TTAs in the next NCM proposed. This may be taken up as an additional agenda by you. This can be very easily clinched as TTA is the only cadre in BSNL wherein recruitment is taking place and if not this may atleast create a platform for further demand for the pay scale upgradation of TTAs.
Lets do it once for the TTAs.
Regards
Dear comrade,
Thank you for your comment and suggestion. We will certainly discuss the matter in our union.
R/s,
The Next NCM is likely going to be held on 24/05/2012 and we are waiting to see this as a agenda point please…..
Sir we all waiting for your response on above questioned raised
by my TTA friends because the same questioned need not to repeate.
Dear Comrade,
you may go through the posts already placed on the issues of TTA. Further postings will be placed one aftr another.
Dear comrade,
Thank you for your replies ….
I would like to endorse the views of “T.Subbiah”…in the context that we belong to the workmen tribe and the pay / allowances are fixed as per organizational structure.
Certainly there should be an collective effort in the form of union to get it implemented as it is in papers..
However,, the existing work conditions and work related laws are outcome of international labour revolution and evolution,,,,,,,,,,,there is nothing special about DOT /BSNL in the context that we are just wokers !
So, as every individual belong to certain category of employee fighting to get his piece of cake …… We TTAs are representing our woes.
Since you are representing a diverse work force, i could understand your mixed views,, But think about the future ( or ) Just think about a family which is micro model of our organisation…… Who should be Nutured ? Who should get attention ?
Regards
J.Saravanan ( BE, MBA)
sulur, Coimbatore, Tamilnadu
Dear sir,
Did u go through my previous post regarding 30% fitment issue on May 8, 2012 at 10:57 pm…? Plz comment
Priyesh varghese
Dear Comrade,
All the issues will be posted one after another.
Thank you sir.I will wait for your Reply.
Dear Comrade,
Sir I have some doubts,
1) Why union asked for NE12 scale for NEPP instead of E1 scale. Is there any problem of giving executive scale to non-executive cadre. Some non-executive employees already in E1 scale. The difference between the starting basic of both scales is Rs10 only. Is there any DPE guidelines against giving executive scale to non-executive staff? If yes what will be the 4th promotion scale of TTA under NEPP. 1st is NE10, 2nd NE11, 3rd NE12 then what next. I humbly asked this question because once BSNLEU asked a multiplication factor above 1.91 at the time of wage revision management replied that “if factor increased above 1.91 pre-revised NE12 scale will cross lowest executive E1 after revision”. So what was the purpose of NE12 between NE11 and E1. Whether management trapped our union or it was a mistake.
Dear Comrade,
All thes issues were thrashed out at the time of the wage negotiation. The BSNL management did not agree for E-1 scales etc. for non-executives citing the DPE guidelines that there should be no conflict with the Executive scales. If you just go through the notes published in the website and the write ups in the union journals at that time, all these points raised by you will be cleared. We had tried our best to get our demand acceded by the management. It is because of such hard bargaining the negotiations went for years together and we had to face criticism. But the hard bargaining was not in vain. The workers got a good wage agreement, far better than any wage revision/pay commission earlier.
But respected sir
You did not answer my question about 4th promotion scale for TTA’s.
“The workers got a good wage agreement, far better than any wage revision/pay commission earlier.”
But What about 2008 and 2009 DR TTA’s. They loose much after this revision… Why you not speaking about it????
All officials have got better wage revision. The anomalies and shortcomings are being taken up for settlement. In each and every pay commission and wage revision such things have happened. This is to be tried to be settled, that is what is being done.
Dear Comrade,
What is the logic in saying that all officials have got better wage revision. After wage revision post 2007 Non Executives faced salary recovery…
Before the final wage revision, post 2007 employees were getting salary based on 1997 pay scale . After revision the salary is decreased means no gain in revision 2007 and the basic became lower than what that in 1997. In effect the pay scale of Post 2007 employees is now in between that during 1980 to 1997. Very much pathetic situation…
Why this much delay in extending the benefit granted to JTO/JAO to Non Executives also ??? Why the management is showing this much inequality and injustice only to Post 2007 Non Executives ?? Is it because of the Management or Union ???
Kindly rethink about you comment that the pay scale of post 2007 employees is now between that of during 1980 to 1997. After 1980 four wage revisions have taken place one in 1984 (IV CPC), second in 1996(V CPC), third in 2000 (CDA to IDA)and fourth in 2007. It may be remembered that Unions had to go on strikes many times even to get the Pay Commissions appointed. You may be fully aware how many strikes and struggles had to be organised even after BSNL was formed to get a good wage revision. Anomalies and Aberrations were always there in all the Pay Commissions and many could be settled and many could not be settled. While the pay anomaly in the VI CPC could be settled w.e.f. 2000 for TTAs, the anomaly for the Sr. TTAs could not be settled even now. In the same way the anomaly/aberrations of the seniors getting less than their juniors in the lower grade arisen out of the point-point fixation in the wage revision from CDA to IDA pattern w.e.f.01-10-2000 signed by all the unions jointly could not be settled even now. It is still being discussed in the Anomaly Committee. Many cases of pay anomalies of the VI CPC are yet being pursued by the Confederation of the Central Government Employees and Workers in the National Council for the CG Employees. We are putting maximum pressure to see that the anomaly and loss for the post-2007 recruitees are settled.
We TTAs are well aware about the trade union history in India. Most of us had worked in Students Federations at the time of College days. You mentioned about Pay anomaly arisen from 2000 wage revision. But after 12 year this issue could not be settled. Once recognized union agreed to give personnel pay to employees who are suffering from this anomaly. The employees who visualized the surrendering of the recognized union moved to court and fought up to Supreme Court and won the case.
In the case post 2007 TTAs after 5 years management not included our case in any of the committee which is formed to solve GEJTOs problems even though they have never faced a wage erosion. At last we moved to court then unions commented that now matter is sub-judice and canot be taken up. But GEJTOs also filed a case in PCAT Delhi
You also aware that service condition for appearing in departmental exam from 5000 to 6500 cda scale was only 6 years as per Dopt guidelines. But Dot and later BSNL fixed this to 10 years in JTO RR2001. BSNL also given promotion without considering this recruitment rule through diversion. We also have to move court for justice and won the case.
This is the situation in bsnl that everyone is moving before court for justice even for small problems. When a trade union fails court cases will increase. Hundreds of court cases of BSNL employees are pending in different courts all over India. So if somebody think about the relevance of trade union we cannot blame them.
In coal india employees got 5year agreement. In NLC and BHEL workers joined after 2007 got additional increments to regularize their basic . There was also a trade union and wage revision committee. They also achieved this through different trade union actions and a lot of conciliation preceding by Labour commissioner. In BSNL also 30% fitment extended for 2005 batch to avoid the difference in salary in same Batch. This also not extended to non-executives in BSNL.
So kindly request to take immediate necessary action for settle our issues.
Dear Comrade,
It is well known that the service condition from 10 years to 7 years was settled through the National council. Our demand was for 5 years, but management refuced to fully accept our demand. The conducting of many examinations are held up in courts including that to JTO. There are thousands of vacancies of JTO. We have contacted most of the employees who filed the cases so that once these case are withdrawn, the examination can be conducted and thousands of comrades can get promotion to the executives.
By the way, we, the unions and employees always quote about the executives and their benefits for our argument. This is correct and is our right. But historically more benefits have always been given to the higher ups whether it is pay scales, allowances, promotion or other benefits. May be in a socialist society, the discrimination may reduce to a certain extent. But in the present society where the rich and powerful have the upper hand, situation is entirely different. It is the duty of the trade unions to fight against the discrimination and get justice for all. But it is not that easy as we can see from the various struggles being conducted in many spheres. But there is no need to become pessimistic and leave the fight.
So …… we hope you are busy in settling these anomalies and shortcomings.. but why everyone , especially DR TTA’s saying that you are doing nothing for them… Is there a communication gap in between, or you are not listening to their miseries???
Honourable Leader,
I am of the view that NEPP (Which is practically speaking, not a Promotional Policy but a Financial Up-gradation Policy) is:
1. A discrimination among Executives and Non-Executives of BSNL as the Executives are given financial up-gradation after every SIX years whereas for Non-Executives, it is being done after Eight years. Why is this discrimination?
2. A discrimination between absorbed NE employees and the DR NE employees as for absorbed NE employees, it is in the slab of 4-7 and so on whereas for DR NE Employees, it is 8-16-24-32. Why is this discrimination?
Kindly go through the earlier posts in which these issues have been dealt with elobarately. However I may explain the point in brief.
1. There was an agreement between the DOT and the Executive Associations regarding promotion policy before they took absorption.But there was no such agreement with the non-executives. secondly, even for decades together the executives (officers) were getting 4-5 promotions early, whereas the non-executives (Group C and C) were getting only two promotions that too after 16 and 26 years.There were dozens of cadres who were not getting even a single promotion in their entire service. Before corporatisation, there was huge difference between the promotional avenues for Group A, B and Group C,D. Even after formation of the BSNL and getting recognition, neither NFTE nor any earlier recognised federations demanded for any change in the promotional avenues. In fact NFTE made an agreement with management in the national Council that the OTBP – BCR promotions ( 16-26 years) should continue till next wage revision ie.2007. When BSNLEU was recognised first time in 2005, in the first National Council itself, the demand of 5 promotions after every 6 years was raised. After prolonged discussion and even after strikes we could not fully achieve the demand of five promotions but could get 4 promotions after evey eight years. It was a great achievement considering what the non- executives were having earlier. The discrimination between the executives and non-executives could not be completely undone but the discrimination continuing for more than 60 years was reduced to a great extent by the hard bargaining and struggles.The TTAs whose minimum pay scale and OTBP was the same earlier will now have the first promotion in the next higher scale as anybody else.
2.In fact there is not much discrimination as it looks. The DOT employees were having promotions after 16/26 years.Except very few officials all the DOT employees will also get first promotion after 8 or more than eight years. For example take a person recruited in 1990. He will not get any promotion before 2000 as his promotion is due only after 16 years in 2006. NOw he will get promtion in 2004, but he is getting the first promotion after 14 years of service. In the same way a person recruited in 1991 will get his first promotion after 13 years, recruited in 1992 will get promotion after 12 years etc. Those who will get benefit from this order will be only those recruited in 1997, 1998, 1999 and before 01-10-2000. Since there was almost no recruitment in this period, it will will be a microscopic minority who may get the benefit. In the same way 99% of the DOT employees gets first promotion after 10 to 15 years and grnting them second promotion by 7 years will have a period of more than 17 years or more for the second promotion while the BSNL recruitees will get the same after 16 years. Afterwards it is 8 years for everybody but 80% of the DOT recruited people will have retired. The clause of 4-7 years is not giving any extra advantage to the DOT employees, but is only to get the period for first and second promotion to be reduced from 16 and 24 years to less. Only very few DOT absorbed employees will have a chance to get the fourth promotion. For the newly recruited employees after 2000 they will get four promotions as per present agreement. The workers are there, the union is there and further improvement will certainly be made.
hello sir
dont you think that in case of ttas unions are neglecting thier demands.I have the reason what people told me that this is a union of toas and rest of staff voting for the union is voting because of fear.mostly linemens also says so.In every action whats happens during wage revision or jto exam there is always smell of selfishness
Your information is totally wrong. We rpresent the majority of the workers including the TTAs and that is why for the last eight years we have been continuously being elected. BSNLEU is not a cadre union, but a union having members from all cadres. It has to look after the interests of all cadres.
Honourable sir,
It must be very clear to you that the whole BSNL recruits specially TTA community are very much frustrated and feeling dejected due to wrong policies of BSNL management on career progression, derogatory designation and financial discrimination etc. this is a well known fact that these DR TTA have prove themselves in every field. Most of them are taking extra responsibilities for company’s shake.sir, nobody can deny that TTA are now the backbone of BSNL . then why is this discrimination? I sincerely believe that you are aware of the frustration and also admit that of late you are also instrumental in solving these issues. Sir, I must admit that due to your help we got JTO eligibility from 10 to 7 years, but till now no exam has been conducted. Sir extra effort is required from trade union side to solve these issues at early as possible to save these young, motivated, talented batch of new employees of becoming unproductive.
Pina Das,
TTA
The Union is trying to settle the issues of all cadres including TTAs. We are pursuing all matters.
We think T T A cadre is a backward cadre in BSNL.BSNL does not fulfill our any genuine demands.Why BSNL shows such a discrepancy to the TTA cadre only ?What is our fault ?
The Executive unions are so strong that they are able to achieve all the demands from management, but the Non-Executive Union fails to attain even the least. Both Executive Union leaders and their websites talking for the issues and goals of that cadre where as Non-Executive leaders and site dealing with International Issues…
We the Non-Executive employees in BSNL need a better and strong union in BSNL …….
The experiences during the last many decades show a different picture. Just go through a few decades back, even one or two decades back. What was the condition of the group C & D employees in DOT compared to the officers? What about the perks and benefits? What about the payscales? What about the service conditions? In fact the discrimination was very serious and not much was done at that time. But after formation of BSNL and after BSNLEU was conferred with the recognised status after getting the support of the majority employees, one after another many new benefits could be achieved including the pay and allowances and increased promotions. We have also to understand, that in the present system in the society and the government those in the higher strata always get more benefit. This is not in BSNL alone. It is the system all over. Our task is change this and we have to make more and more efforts.
Of course, there may be many anomalies and discriminations in the settlement in a big organisation like BSNL.Our duty is to try to settle these. We have to fully participate in all these actions called by the unions instead of keeping aloof and getting disappointed. Many issues have taken even decades for settlement. Many lives have been lost, many have been imprisoned and dismissed for the cause.
And another root-cause is the anti-worker policy of the government. Whether it is disinvestment, neo-liberalisation policy or VRS, you can not close your eyes to them. They have to be opposed and defeated instead of getting disappointed. Workers have won many things after they lost several times. We have to make today’s loss to win victory tomorrow. This is not philosophy but hard truth.
Sir,
Leave all the discrimination between executive & non-executive, just answer my simple question that why post 2007 DR TTA not getting 30% fitment while seniors are getting & why all DR TTA getting same kind of pay scale as the DoT recruited getting.While DoT recruited having pension but DR recruited have not.
In spite of removing discrimination between DoT and direct recruited two more discrimination you added
1) 30% fitment between pre & post 2007 batch
2) NEPP between DoT and Direct recruited.
please reply on that ………….
Dear Comrade,
I have replied these questions several times. Kindly go in to the back pages.
please copy & paste the appropriate answer from the back pages…………….
Dear Comrade Harsh,
I believe that you know the details, but since you wanted certain clarifications once more on the points raised by you I am giving the same in brief:
1. Why there is a difference between the DOT recruited TTA and DR TTA recruited by BSNL: This is not a difference connected with the TTA. This is applicable to all the cadres including TTA, RM, Sr. TOA etc. Those appointed by DOT are treated as Government officials. After BSNL was formed, they were given option to continue as Govt. servant or give option to BSNL. At the time of option they were assured that pension will be given by DOT even after absorbing, since there is no statutory pension in the PSUs. As such BSNL absorbed employees are being given pension by the Government. It is another matter that the government is now and then trying to run away from this responsibility. There is no provision of statutory pension in the PSUs. In the PSUs the pension is as per the Employees Pension Scheme which was started in 1994-95 period. This pension difference is because those appointed by DOT are government employees and those appointed by BSNL are PSU employees.Even in the case of Government employees, those who are recruited after 01-01-2004 are not given statutory pension, but contributory pension viz. New Pension Scheme, similar to the EPS for the PSU employees. The government has changed the system by issuing an ordinance , PFRD Ordinace. The government has been trying to make it an act, but due strong opposition from the oppositions as well as allies it could not pass so far, but the scheme has already been implemented. The entire central, State government, PSU employees including BSNLEU organised Parliament March against the PFRDA and the struggle is continuing.
2. Payscales between DOT appointed and BSNL appointed: As per the BSNL wage agreement in 2002 between all the unions and management which was effected w.e.f.01-10-2010, the wages of the DOT appointed employees were revised. In the case of BSNL appointed employees the wages as per the agreement was granted. There is no discrimination.
3. Discrimination in the NEPP: The DOT employees like RM, Telecom Mechanic, Sr. TOA, TTA etc. were getting only two promotions in service after 16 and 26 years of service. They are called OTBP and BCR. Since these were implemented w.e.f. 1984-85 and 1991 only many senior employees did not get the full benefit. All those above 16 years of service in 1984-85 got OTBP together without any retrospective effect. The same case with BCR in 1991. The discrimination pointed out is that while the BSNL appointed worker is getting all the four promotions after every 8 years, the DOT appointed worker will be getting his first promotion in BSNL after 4 years and the second after 7 years and the third and fourth after 8, 8 years. If we examine the same we will see that the matter is different. Take us for example a person appointed by DOT in 1990. Since he did not complete 16 years he did not get any promotion till 2000. Now he will get the promotion after 4 years, ie.in 2004, but will get only notional fixation and the actual benefit will be from 2008. He is getting this promotion after 14 years. Thus a worker appointed in 1991 will get promotion after 13 years, 1992 will get after 12 years and so on. Only those recruited in 1997, 1998 and 1999 will get promotion before 8 years. In this case also they get the actual benefit from 2008. But, however, there has not been recruitment in these years except may be about one hundred or so who might have been appointed on compassionate grounds. This is the situation. In fact most of those recruited by DOT is getting promotion in BSNL after more than 8 years. But they are also benefitted since if the NEPP was not brought they will get the promotion after 16 years only. In the case of all BSNL appointed workers there is no question of 16 years or 26 years or only two prmotions, everybody will get promotions after every 8 years. This is a great achievement for both DOT recruited as also BSNL recruited workers. For the last many decades they could not get this benefit despite ITS and Executives were getting better promotions. None of the recognised federations at that time could not even demand more than two promotions.
In the case of TTA, there is some difference. For TTA, after the anomaly of the VI CPC was settled, the basic grade as well as the first promotion was the same ie. Rs. 5000 ( Rs. 7100). As such there was only second promotion to the scale of Rs. 6500 (Rs. 7800). More than that there was no promotion and every worker was going to stagnate at Rs, 7800.After the NEPP has been implemented the TTA will get Rs, 7800 after 8 years, Rs. 8570 after 16 years, the new scale being introduced Rs. 9200 after 24 years and the JTO scale which is also to be finalised, after 32 years. Since none of the DR TTAs have not even completed 16 years for second promotion, the third and fourth scale will be implemented much before they become eligible.
3. 30% Fitment:
Certain % of fitment are granted on the recommendations of the Central Pay Commission for Central Government employees and on new wage revision for the PSU non-executive employees. For the executives in PSU the pay revision is as per the recommendations of a Pay revision Committee. This time the fitment has been generally 30%. (The Bank employees got about 18% or so. In Coal, they got 25%, but they are having 5 year agreement.). The fitment for government employees were given only to those employees who were in service as on 01-01-2006, since the pay revision for them was with effect from 01-01-2006. It was the same in 1996 also, including DOT employees. Only those who were in service as on 01-01-1996 got the fitment when the pay revision was with effect from 01-01-1996. On this basis, only those who were in service in BSNL as on 01-01-2007 will be given the benefit of fitment since the wage revision is from 01-01-2007.
In this wage revision, the multiplication factor is 1.91. We demanded for 2.4 but the management refused to agree more than 1.91, since it was the multiplication factor given to the executives as per Pay Revision Committee and it was not prepared to give more to the non-executives. If the multiplication factor was 2.4 as demanded by the Union, the discrimination in the payscale of those recruited after 01-01-2007 could have been removed. But we could not achieve the same.
In the National Councils we have demanded for additional increments for removing the anomaly, but the management has not so far agreed. It is being persued by the union.
I hope that the issues are made clear.
Please do one thing which is very easy that give the option to remain in pre-revised pay scale to post 1.1.20007 recruited. I think it is not so difficult because same is done for post 1.1.2007 pramotives to remain in pre-revised pay scale till the date of promotion.
Dear Comrade,
I think you are making a suggestion without going in to its repercussion. Have you discussed with any body what will be the position if one opt for the pre-revised scale, leave alone the fact the technical difficulty for opting a scale which is not available after 01-01-2007. Pre-revised scale are only for those who were serving before 01-01-2007. Further it will be a big loss if the pre-revised scale is accepted instead of the new scale. Think once again.
Dear sir,
Then what is your suggestion ? Sir you know that there is no more difference in Basic pay of post 1.1.07 recruited employee in pre revised and revised pay scale due to 50% ida merger in pre revised pay. Hence they facing a big loss due to difference in IDA i.e 68 % or 78 % what ever in pre revised pay scale and only approx 24 % in revised pay scale.
And i m suggesting the option to remain with pre revised pay scale because the ida revision in pre revised pay is seen almost two times of ida revsion of revised pay scale.
The pre-revised pay is technically for the employees including BSNL recruited TTAs. Sr. TOAs, RMs etc.,who were appointed before 01-01-2007. All those recruited after 01-01-2007, technically can not go to the pre-revised scale. Option is always there for the employees recruited before 01-01-2007 either to opt for the pre-revised scale or the new scale. In the next wage revision, all those employees appointed before that will have the option either to accept the pre-revised or post revised scale, in the same way.
It is because of this that the union is demanding for 5 increments to the BSNL recruited employees after 01-01-2007 to compensate the loss. We are persuing the case.
SIR,
AS PER THE RECRUITMENT ADVERTISEMENT OF POST 1.1.07 RECRUITED THE PAY SCALE OF THE EMPLOYEE AT THE TIME OF RECRUITMENT WAS ONLY AND ONLY THE PRE REVISED PAY SCALE ( FOR EX. 7100 FOR TTA) AND THERE NO ANY INFORMATION IS PROVIDED IN ADVERTISEMENT THAT THE POST 1.1.07 RECRUITED ARE NOT ILLEGIBLE FOR THIS PAY SCALE AFTER PAY REVISION. IN FACT THERE IS ALSO NO ANY INFORMATION REGARDING PAY REVISION WAS PROVIDED IN RECRUITMENT ADVERTISEMENT.
INDRAKESH YADAV
Kindly send all the details in this connection including the advertisement, the appointment order etc.
hi senan,
This is only a tip of the Iceberg. There are many irregularities and discrimination with the TTAs all over India. If Namboodiri ji open a Grievance cell for TTAs then it will be Full in One day..this is the reason he is fearing opening such a cell or forum…and most of us don’t get any reply from them. Even our voices are only dead heard. our suggestions/requests are always put into bin. Do not worry, TTAs will have their day soon, Be United for the upcoming Struggle. If still BSNLEU does not help us support us then we may stood alone in future also.
Have Trust in God, Do your best for BSNL as other TTAs are doing…work hard and leave the rest to almighty. People who have malice in their minds don’t get sound sleep. Whoever does wrong with anyone will have to pay for their misdeeds here on this earth One day…!!
Hoping for the Best ..
regards.
Dear Com.Bandhan,
From the email ID, it seems that you are an office-bearer of SNATTA. I hope you are amember of BSNLEU as also its office bearer. SNATTA was with BSNLEU /United Forum in the II and III membership verifications and till the IV. SNATTA representatives were in all the local, circle and national Councils and have been party to all the discussions and decisions during that period. SNATTA was party to the Wage Revision also. Its representative was in the Committee on Change of Designations also even when many other unions could not be given representation. Inumerable times, SNATTA leaders have discussed many important issues with the management along with the leaders of BSNLEU. Many personal issues were also settled during this period. In the V Membership verification SNATTA left United Forum / BSNLEU in its own wisdom for which it has got full right. BSNLEU has no grievance or anger on this account. Alliance comes and goes as per the decisions of the various unions taking their own interests. Fair enough. But during the V membership verification SNATTA website and other platforums were used to abuse BSNLEU using vulgar words, personally attack leaders etc. BSNLEU did not retort and did not want to counter these kind of slangs. What it did was only to put certain issues in its right perspective.
In this blog also I am getting a few comments with abuses and vulgar and unparliamentary words. I take them on my stride. I am neither offended nor angry. Sometimes I may not continue to publish them since it will be a bad comment on the commentators themselves and other visitors will not like such comments.
BSNLEU got thousands of TTAs and DR TTAs as also from all other cadres and sections as its members. Many of the TTAs/Dr TTAs are office bearers and leaders at various levels. BSNLEU is taking issues of all cadres not only because it has members, but also it is the responsibility of the recognised union to take up all cases. It is because of this stand taken by the BSNLEU that it has been getting continued support and increased membership in all the past 11 years since its formation. BSNLEU will continue to take up the issues in right earnest. It is also to be remembered that BSNLEU was able to achieve many demands of the workers pending for long periods. We will continue to do so.
Shamul, This is not a single or independent incident. Lots of TTAs were suffering same type of injustice towards them.
Dear Namboodiri sir, kindly comment on this matter.
Any such issues at local levels can be taken with the Distric and Circle Secretaries. In case it is not settled, please write to the General Secretary of BSNLEU or to me. We will certainly enquire in the matter and find solution. Without the full report and details I am not in a position to make more comments.
Kindly take up the matter with the District and Circle Secretary and if not settled, send with all the details to the General Secretary BSNLEU or to me for sorting out the issue. Kindly also intimate whether the issue was taken up with them and what was the result.
Kindly send all the details connected with this matter to me by post. I want to study all the matters connected with it including the transfer application of the official.